Air to water

Discussion in 'N54' started by Kenjermen, Oct 8, 2017.

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  1. Has anyone thought about doing an air to water intercooler with an ice chest? I know the new BMW v8 twin turbskies have air to "water" intercooler boxes
     
  2. R.G.

    R.G. Sergeant

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    Henderson, NV
    E92 N54, F02 N54
    I've seen a photo of one N54 that had it done but packaging constraints/inefficiency outside of single pulls have been the main reason the pursuit had faded out. If you're up for the challenge I think I good place to start would be the B58 IM.
     
  3. Thanks I'm looking more at a custom setup rather then retrofitting a factory one, I want to do a ice box in the trunk, obviously it'll only have ice when doing actual pulls and just water while street driving. Also retrofit a ambient air cooler to the front
     
  4. doublespaces

    doublespaces Administrator

    AZ
    2009 E93 335i
    @AD-ENG has an A2W setup but its not for the faint of heart. I've discussed it multiple times but tied into our AC system, as our heater core can be repurposed very nicely. The problem with any A2W setup with our cars is packaging as you have double the hardware. I thought about using a barrel style core in place of the chargepipe. The problem is they are all just a little too long.

    Are you intending on ripping out the existing A2A setup like most people? If so, this shouldn't be too hard since you've got the extra room where the FMIC goes.
     
  5. Torgus

    Torgus Specialist

    Honestly given the work and complication etc. You might as well just run meth and have better cooling and higher octane.

    Is an a2w cool, sure. But is the complication worth it?
     
  6. JBacon335

    JBacon335 Private

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    Toms River, NJ
    07 335i Sedan, 1988 Mustang GT
    It would be nice for a drag car where you can put ice in a recovery tank between runs
     
  7. AD-ENG

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  8. dyezak

    dyezak Sergeant

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  9. Tony@VargasTurboTech

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    Oh god, here we go again. Sure if its a full blown race car running an ice tank like Andy is building here. Then its worth it. Streetcar, unless you have no possible way to mount a FMIC you are adding weight, and complexity to the system for no real benefit in cooler IAT's.
     
  10. R.G.

    R.G. Sergeant

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    Henderson, NV
    E92 N54, F02 N54
    Fill the tank with methanol and delete the IC completely.
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  11. AK135i

    AK135i Specialist

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    Anchorage, Alaska
    2010 135i
    I follow this guy on instagram. Hope this helps. He live in Russia.
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  12. Aaron

    Aaron Corporal

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    Colorado
    Silver 2013 335is 6MT
    And then wait for the day you accidentally run out. Engine, blown.
     
  13. Honestly it's not that complicated of a setup, plus doing meth injection wouldn't be as a big of a benefit as a a2w would be, plus I've ran meth injection before and didn't get great results from it, it's the water that cools the air in meth injection. The car is mostly a weekend/drag car at this point and will further turn into a drag car only I'm just looking at options now instead of figuring it out at the last minute
     
  14. Running out won't kill the engine, it's the injectors failing open that will blow it up haha
     
  15. There's no benefit while driving yes but when it is track day it's perfect, there's a reason why majority of cars in drag week have this setup works while driving and no down fall besides a little more weight
     
  16. The Convert

    The Convert Corporal

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    For such a good looking car, that engine bay looks like a DEI catalog threw up in it.
     
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  17. AK135i

    AK135i Specialist

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    Anchorage, Alaska
    2010 135i
    lol yuuup. Although, it is a badass car regardless.
     
  18. doublespaces

    doublespaces Administrator

    AZ
    2009 E93 335i
    So he's got a heat exchanger up front with fans? In addition to a trans cooler up front, an oil cooler in stock location and then he apparently also keeps the PPK V2 radiator on the driver side... Interesting. I'd like to see how much that actually helps, but I can't help but think there are cases when his IAT is actually worse when not using ice, not to mention he had to customize pretty much everything. Not for someone like me who likes to keep factory fit and finish.
     
  19. Aaron

    Aaron Corporal

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    Colorado
    Silver 2013 335is 6MT
    Well the heat exchanger should be in front of everything else, so it gets high flow ambient air. His IAT's are probably rock solid, within 10* of ambient.
     

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