Sharp Customs N54 Sheet Metal Port Injection Intake Manifold: Testing and Future Review!

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those fuel rail brackets look shonky as hell. Just look like something you pick up from bunnings or walllmmaaarrrtttt for you yanks.

let's hope they hold up to the 70psi low pressure side of things and not just bend and hose fuel all over the hot engine bay.
Might be an idea to keep an extinguisher in your car for some testing :D
 
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those fuel rail brackets look shonky as hell. Just look like something you pick up from bunnings or walllmmaaarrrtttt for you yanks.

let's hope they hold up to the 70psi low pressure side of things and not just bend and hose fuel all over the hot engine bay.
Might be an idea to keep an extinguisher in your car for some testing :D

I thought you had ordered one?
 

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Roger also sent me one of these for testing. Honestly I have to say, I am not impressed. Literally where it must have been hitting on the oil filter housing, they simply crushed it in with a hammer, and coated over it. The hold downs are not something I would ever want to run on a serious build, the hardware is pretty low quality. Also the area where the throttle body sits is cut for an oring, But um, the oring is in the throttle body. That should be flat to seal against the oring. So they want an oring to seal against an Oring? The mount for the map sensor is WAY too tall, the sensor is supposed to be exposed, the way they have it, it it completely shrouded by the bung. The included some aluminum spacer as well, very thin. My guess, the manifold doesn't fit right without it. So they want you to use a sandwich spacer to space it out properly? I have not tried to fit it yet, but that's my guess. Its very obvious the manifold was made without ever been test fit or run on an N54. The good parts, its very light which is a plus, the EOS is seriously way way too heavy. The welds look very nice, and the runners / internal machining do look like they should add a nice bit of flow over a stock manifold. All in all, its very hard for me to get over the beating the runner in with a hammer, cutting a groove for an oring where there should be one, and other major problems. There is a good chance I won't run this.
 

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New manifold arrived today, not home to review it but will once I get back from Florida.

Tony glad to see you had a chance to take a looks at the manifold! I haven't had a chance to look at the "updated" unit yet but hope to soon.

In FL for the week but your notes are very helpful. :)
 

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Roger also sent me one of these for testing. Honestly I have to say, I am not impressed. Literally where it must have been hitting on the oil filter housing, they simply crushed it in with a hammer, and coated over it. The hold downs are not something I would ever want to run on a serious build, the hardware is pretty low quality. Also the area where the throttle body sits is cut for an oring, But um, the oring is in the throttle body. That should be flat to seal against the oring. So they want an oring to seal against an Oring? The mount for the map sensor is WAY too tall, the sensor is supposed to be exposed, the way they have it, it it completely shrouded by the bung. The included some aluminum spacer as well, very thin. My guess, the manifold doesn't fit right without it. So they want you to use a sandwich spacer to space it out properly? I have not tried to fit it yet, but that's my guess. Its very obvious the manifold was made without ever been test fit or run on an N54. The good parts, its very light which is a plus, the EOS is seriously way way too heavy. The welds look very nice, and the runners / internal machining do look like they should add a nice bit of flow over a stock manifold. All in all, its very hard for me to get over the beating the runner in with a hammer, cutting a groove for an oring where there should be one, and other major problems. There is a good chance I won't run this.
Roger also sent me one of these for testing. Honestly I have to say, I am not impressed. Literally where it must have been hitting on the oil filter housing, they simply crushed it in with a hammer, and coated over it. The hold downs are not something I would ever want to run on a serious build, the hardware is pretty low quality. Also the area where the throttle body sits is cut for an oring, But um, the oring is in the throttle body. That should be flat to seal against the oring. So they want an oring to seal against an Oring? The mount for the map sensor is WAY too tall, the sensor is supposed to be exposed, the way they have it, it it completely shrouded by the bung. The included some aluminum spacer as well, very thin. My guess, the manifold doesn't fit right without it. So they want you to use a sandwich spacer to space it out properly? I have not tried to fit it yet, but that's my guess. Its very obvious the manifold was made without ever been test fit or run on an N54. The good parts, its very light which is a plus, the EOS is seriously way way too heavy. The welds look very nice, and the runners / internal machining do look like they should add a nice bit of flow over a stock manifold. All in all, its very hard for me to get over the beating the runner in with a hammer, cutting a groove for an oring where there should be one, and other major problems. There is a good chance I won't run this.

Thank you for the detailed feedback. We've been waiting on some impressions.
 
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I have Exactly the same one in your pictures. Why would model matter on if they cut a groove for the TB or not, every model is going to use the same TB. Its also just like you said they never test fit it, so the front runner would not clear the OFH. What's the fix? Smash it in with a hammer obviously. Its basically exactly how I thought. They are just making these things with no clue if they will fit or not, and have now sent me one they think should fit because they "clearanced it", but obviously before they fixed the oring problem. Sounds like you got an even later revision. Honestly this manifold is kind of a joke, no offense to anyone who wants one. You know what they say, you get what you pay for. I'll take pictures when I get a chance 2-3 days at best as I wot't be at the shop again til Monday. If they send me another one without these two issue it would not be a bad option. I will tell roger to leave the port injection bungs off mine. I wot't be using it anyways.
 
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All good man! I am glad you are also looking into this as well, while I am away this week I have all intensive purposes to install this as it is (with a fire extinguisher handy) just to see if it's got some kinks but still works.

The MAP sensor is my real concern, while it is away from the flow of things I'm wondering if it's really a MUST to put directly into the pressure area. It will still see some type of pressure from the opening.

But my goal is really to show options both foriegn and domestic as valuable. Seeing MMP launch their products this year makes me stupid excited to see though.

But for me, I'm only out the fittings/controller/injectors which will get used in one form or another. Plus the manifolds I have (2) of now are free so I'm not invested in much way.

I want it to work I really do, but if not I'm glad to see them willing to make changes pretty fast to make it funtional. I haven't spent a dime on the actual manifold which is why I'm the test pig I guess.
 
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Maybe iI am being too harsh, the smashed in runner, and oring groove kind of rubbed me the wrong way. As I was curious about this option. If they fix those two thing, and reengineer the way the fuel rail is held on. This would be a solid option. The weight saving, and flow increase are great pluses.
 

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As always Tony, to me your feedback is welcome and you know I enjoy your direct no bullsh!t approach.

I will give your feedback to SC and BKC for further development purposes. If they fix, great. If they do not, then we are seeing MMP, EOS, Fuel-It, ADE, etc all launching their PI setups and we all know prices are plummeting.

I wish I could afford the DOC Race PI Mani you guys at VTT have though. Haha.
 
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I already emailed the manufacture which is who I got it from. I've been talking to roger, he is pretty responsive. My guess is they will send me another one without the issues. As far as quality, I have to say its pretty damn nice. Just need to get the small details worked out
 
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I already emailed the manufacture which is who I got it from. I've been talking to roger, he is pretty responsive. My guess is they will send me another one without the issues. As far as quality, I have to say its pretty damn nice. Just need to get the small details worked out

Let's see if their quality can remain relatively consistent as well.
 
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All good man! I am glad you are also looking into this as well, while I am away this week I have all intensive purposes to install this as it is (with a fire extinguisher handy) just to see if it's got some kinks but still works.

The MAP sensor is my real concern, while it is away from the flow of things I'm wondering if it's really a MUST to put directly into the pressure area. It will still see some type of pressure from the opening.

But my goal is really to show that the costs for the spacers and EOS manifolds are way over what they should be. Seeing MMP launch theirs makes me stupid excited to see though.

But for me, I'm only out the fittings/controller/injectors which will get used in one form or another. Plus the manifolds I have (2) of now are free so I'm not invested in much way.

I want it to work I really do, but if not I'm glad to see them willing to make changes pretty fast to make it funtional. I haven't spent a dime on the actual manifold which is why I'm the test pig I guess.


If you think the Cast intake manifold is way over what it should be, I would like to see you go ahead and get one produced and see what it takes, and then go ahead and tell me your price point. Mind you all of our products are made in the USA, designed, built, cast and engineered. Every product we sell is guaranteed to fit no problems the first time every time. Quality is 100% and Tony as for weight, our version 2 of the manifold(with top mount injectors) which we will be releasing soon is about 3lbs lighter than the current version.
 

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I'm not selling this manifold. I'm offering to test this product for a manufacturer?

While I can see how that would bother you, I don't see why you'd waste your time. There is a market for your Mani much like there is a market for low end parts. AR Design sells downpipes for 900… while Raceland sells theirs for 200. Obviously there is a market for both, the job is to persue avenues that best fit your products.

The end goal the same, but if you market this item from a economy price point you will find that several options are available and will beat yours.

DocRace did a PI manifold for $3500 and it was a bespoke product that was select. Never took off and they knew it.

This manifold could be a HUGE waste of time, but it clearly targets people on a budget... If your manifold has a black Friday deal that discounts it substantially that only eludes to the mark-up. Everybody wants to make some $$ and until recent competition, I feel the n5x community paid a hefty BMW tax.
 
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I am not going to argue with you on an internet forum, as that is not what I am about. As for a sale, yes that happens, the object is to move inventory, while gaining more customers at the same time. I am not bothered by the fact there is a $400 manifold from China available, I just get insulted when people assume there is a huge markup in the manifold when clearly there is not. I started making manifolds for the community because I felt there was a need, not because I thought I was going to make a million dollars doing it. I am all about advancing the design and engineering for BMW after-market products. As for competition I welcome it, that is what this country was built on. Either way have a Merry Christmas, and good luck with your manifold.
 
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Honestly, this is just a test piece for the community to figure out if it's even valuable.

If it's not, then by all means it's a failure and your R&D will shine bright as this Chinese manifold could be total garbage.

Heck, I could even blow my motor lol. Which would only prove the USA made and crafted product like yours is the best option.

If I sounded crass I apologise, not my intention.

Merry Christmas man! :)
 
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Alright guys, update yet again.

Based upon the feedback provided there is a revision being done for the fuel rail.

The existing setup with the hanger style of holder for the fuel rail was taken from their Mustang GT manifold that worked as it should for those pressures (32psi-65psi) but with the feedback from Tony and I they are going to make a new correction.

I will get the update shortly and post pictures. I am still figuring if it's a new manifold and for those wondering, this manifold fit their 535i shop car without issues :)

Merry Christmas!