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Mine is still in the box. No tables here, haven't heard from spool or my tuner.

I think spool has sent them to all the tuners at this point. Public xdf still needs update, but at least there's that. They reached out to me and sent more than I even needed, which was nice. The units I've tuned so far work as expected for an overdrive and the new tables address previous issues at higher rpm with starvation of the pump.
 

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I think spool has sent them to all the tuners at this point. Public xdf still needs update, but at least there's that. They reached out to me and sent more than I even needed, which was nice. The units I've tuned so far work as expected for an overdrive and the new tables address previous issues at higher rpm with starvation of the pump.
Have you used any of those tables to tune a double barrel shotgun setup yet?
 

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Have you used any of those tables to tune a double barrel shotgun setup yet?

No, double barrel uses an external controller for the second pump and adds so much extra pump flow that the tables are unnecessary, fuel trims and other injection issues come up over 800whp on full e85 unrelated to pressure. Not really part of this discussion anyway, I've mostly used them for a couple helix guys since they are ones I'm currently tuning. Eventually these tables will likely help the entire community though, helix to factory speed pump. They are a solid find.
 
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The tables are available through spool. Id have to get
Better DAMOS are out there but you have to pay for them. Those companies who have them paid for them and are under no obligation to provide them. That said, all the initial XDF work I did was with the freely available pre-production DAMOS.

The GM ECU you speak of, how many tables did that have? Because I don't see anyone sitting down and doing all 25k+ MSD8x, and then doing it 3 MORE TIMES to cover all 4 roms, as the good DAMOS only covers one. And that's being generous and assuming all tables exist in each rom, that the axis sizes are the same, and that the data is close enough to hex match. But it isn't. Much logic was rewritten going from I8A0S to IJE0S, and then again with the jump to [IKM0S and INA0S]. Table sizes increase, tables were dropped, tables were added. Then there's some shared axis whose values exist 5+ times in the calibration area. Which one maps to which table? The only reliable way to trace these kinds of things is in IDA.

As for the Helix changes...I sent a few of what I had from the past to @Sbrach along with some ram addresses to aid in the tuning. He then dug up the rest of what was needed himself.

Jake, I know V8bait and myself are happy to help with the hex portion of things. You have the direct line of contact to MHD so it would be nice for us to work together. (Like like the evo guys did on the tephra mod stuff).

That said, Ive noticed a trend lately with people becoming less helpful and keeping information closer to the hip. Hence why i redownloaded WinOLS and got back into the Hex/DAMOS harder than ever. Perhaps maybe we could make a facebook group for it to share info? If it takes me learning IDA, i'll probably end up learning that as well.

Im always happy to help :D

Edit: Also, to all, the vcv tables work well. Spool performance can release them to you if you purchase their OD.
 
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The tables are available through spool. Id have to get


Jake, I know V8bait and myself are happy to help with the hex portion of things. You have the direct line of contact to MHD so it would be nice for us to work together. (Like like the evo guys did on the tephra mod stuff).

That said, Ive noticed a trend lately with people becoming less helpful and keeping information closer to the hip. Hence why i redownloaded WinOLS and got back into the Hex/DAMOS harder than ever. Perhaps maybe we could make a facebook group for it to share info? If it takes me learning IDA, i'll probably end up learning that as well.

Im always happy to help :D

Edit: Also, to all, the vcv tables work well. Spool performance can release them to you if you purchase their OD.
Facebook is for children and Russian trolls. Use this site to keep/share info.
 

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The risk with Facebook is they could decide one day to close a group. They close groups every day and remove features all the time. Nothing you can do about it, pissing in the wind if you tried.
 
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@doublespaces if we all want everyone to group up and help as a team. Can you start a donation to purchase the latest DAMOS file that we can all use / share along with a recent English version of a Funktions doc. With those two, it would help everyone to get involved thats interested and take some of the pressure off @jyamona

From there, we would have a set file we could use and run a compare with the hex in our respective ROMS since everyone is here.
 
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jyamona is in a league of his own. Unfortunately there's only a few people on this platform that truly understand what he does. If he wasn't so multi talented he might have more time to devote to tables. Wish i could replicate him. Hehe
 

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Willing to donate to collab group. I know you guys can add even more game changing features with your heads together.
 

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@doublespaces if we all want everyone to group up and help as a team. Can you start a donation to purchase the latest DAMOS file that we can all use / share along with a recent English version of a Funktions doc. With those two, it would help everyone to get involved thats interested and take some of the pressure off @jyamona

From there, we would have a set file we could use and run a compare with the hex in our respective ROMS since everyone is here.

I don't think this is necessary as the WinOLS file is floating around with a few people now. I have a feeling it will make it into people's hands.
 

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How much does the magical DAMOS cost? I'm sure enough people will pitch in to make it public.
 

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Jake, I know V8bait and myself are happy to help with the hex portion of things. You have the direct line of contact to MHD so it would be nice for us to work together. (Like like the evo guys did on the tephra mod stuff).

If you guys are serious and would like to help on a bigger scale and maybe @RSL too I can talk to Martial. Perhaps we can arrange providing some files we have in exchange for building out the XDF quicker.
 

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If you guys are serious and would like to help on a bigger scale and maybe @RSL too I can talk to Martial. Perhaps we can arrange providing some files we have in exchange for building out the XDF quicker.

That would be great. Just let me know what you need me to do and i'll get on it :D
 
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If you guys are serious and would like to help on a bigger scale and maybe @RSL too I can talk to Martial. Perhaps we can arrange providing some files we have in exchange for building out the XDF quicker.
That would be great. Just let me know what you need me to do and i'll get on it :D
We need to production line that. Maybe each defines a specific rom once tables are found. Finding tables is one thing, having to find them 4x takes all the fun right out of it. That would also help vetting each.