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langsbr

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At what hp level is this needed for 93. I have hydras and am hitting 24 lb right now and am wondering if maybe I am at limit or if it just is my hpfp dying again . I only have about 25k miles on it but idk.
Are you sure it's not your lpfp that isn't keeping up, thus having the hpfp fall? 24psi on pump gas seems awfully low to have an hpfp start to max. Considering there are many, many people running hybrids with e40+ mixes on the stock hpfp makes me think yours is a different issue.
 

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with this unit is there any chance to run 6466 25-26psi at only 93octane ? FMIC is the biggest
That I can answer lol you can run that boost or any for that matter just that you will have pull timing. I will say v8bait has me at 24lb on twins FWIW. He is def one of the best on this platform though
 

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Are you sure it's not your lpfp that isn't keeping up, thus having the hpfp fall? 24psi on pump gas seems awfully low to have an hpfp start to max. Considering there are many, many people running hybrids with e40+ mixes on the stock hpfp makes me think yours is a different issue.
I have a stage 2 bucketless and logs didn't go low. Its weird cause on my last rev I had 1800 psi lowest and I also had 2400psi at redline on previous logs. I did use octane boost I'm wondering if the hpfp filter could have gotten clogged or something. Does the lpfp sensor read pressure after the filter and regulator in back? Anyway I don't know if I could need to adapt and it was cause a fresh flash or if sonething else is up. I literally hit 1000psi at 7k rpm but hold over 1500 until 6500 then it crashed.
 

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That I can answer lol you can run that boost or any for that matter just that you will have pull timing. I will say v8bait has me at 24lb on twins FWIW. He is def one of the best on this platform though
should be 6466, 6466 needs more fuel than twins
 

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I have a stage 2 bucketless and logs didn't go low. Its weird cause on my last rev I had 1800 psi lowest and I also had 2400psi at redline on previous logs. I did use octane boost I'm wondering if the hpfp filter could have gotten clogged or something. Does the lpfp sensor read pressure after the filter and regulator in back? Anyway I don't know if I could need to adapt and it was cause a fresh flash or if sonething else is up. I literally hit 1000psi at 7k rpm but hold over 1500 until 6500 then it crashed.

What's it at at peak torque? I'd be surprised it crashing on the top end if it's truly running out of fuel, but rather where you need the most fuel.
 

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At what hp level is this needed for 93. I have hydras and am hitting 24 lb right now and am wondering if maybe I am at limit or if it just is my hpfp dying again . I only have about 25k miles on it but idk.

I maxed out a bum FCP euro HPFP at 510 whp SAE DI only on 93 octane.

20 psi on a 6266 gen 2, rail pressure was just over 1000 psi at redline I didn't feel comfortable pushing it further.

Genuine (not reman) might support more power.
 

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What's it at at peak torque? I'd be surprised it crashing on the top end if it's truly running out of fuel, but rather where you need the most fuel.

Big hybrids or single flow too much air for the hpfp to keep up.
 

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Will there be any group buy to make this available to people in the UK at a reasonable price?
 

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I maxed out a bum FCP euro HPFP at 510 whp SAE DI only on 93 octane.

20 psi on a 6266 gen 2, rail pressure was just over 1000 psi at redline I didn't feel comfortable pushing it further.

Genuine (not reman) might support more power.
That's insane everyone tells me 650 wheel should be possible and do you really believe the fcp one isn't as good. Does anyone have new ones available cause I would want to buy this kit and use new not remanufactured.
And to the other guy with 6466 you def should be fine if these hold 750 with e85 was my point.
Also i would think single or cast twins would have highest fuel demand at redline if holding flat boost all the way through. Stock snails with taper are different story.
Im interested in removing my filter and having the valve changes in the new tables to see where that gets me. I more want to know if their is an easy way to test my pump.
 

langsbr

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Also i would think single or cast twins would have highest fuel demand at redline if holding flat boost all the way through.

Isn't fuel demand highest at peak torque? You likely don't have flat torque all the way to redline, unless you are letting boost creep up throughout the pull. Torque should gradually fall, even with hybrids from most dynos I've seen.
 

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Concerns on HPFP Longevity
It is no secret that the continental Hpfps have been subject to failures and recalls in the past. So we made it a high priority during testing to study the modes on failure and the effects of overdriving the pump on the failure modes. From investigating a number of failed units, two modes of failure were established as the most common. The first mode is inlet metering valve actuation failure due to failures in actuation solenoid coil and second is the limp home mode bypass valve leaking. The limp home mode valve connects the low-pressure inlet to the high-pressure outlet of the pump and remains closed as long as there is a higher pressure on the high-pressure side. It is designed to flow in the case of an hpfp failure. On older units, this valve starts leaking from high pressure to the low-pressure side preventing the hpfp from being able to build full pressure in the rails. The valve relies on rubber elements to seal under normal operation and we infer that prolonged use of E85 affecting the rubber is the main culprit behind this mode of failure. We did find cracked bellows as well but we estimate it to be very rare since only one out of more than 20 failed pumps were affected by this. We also analyzed the oil out of high mileage units and they showed very little metal content and physical examination of the swash plate, the springs and pistons proved that these elements are designed to last and had very little wear. In short, most failure modes on the hpfp unit are modes that are not affected by over spinning the pump in any way.

Can you elaborate on the HPFP reliability and recommendations? You stated most failure modes were unrelated and that seems reasonable. With that said, can you rough out the impact to the HPFP (10% less life, 50k mile expected lifespan, etc)? I’m just looking for an order of magnitude approximation because my car is a real daily commuter.

Others have mentioned replacing the HPFP while adding this part makes sense from a labor perspective. Is that your recommendation? If so, do you have a preferred vendor or part? Thoughts on refurb vs new?
 

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Sorry if I missed it,is there a Group Buy happening?
Also what's the 10 micron filter and where does it go?now price is over a grand with this.
 

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Isn't fuel demand highest at peak torque? You likely don't have flat torque all the way to redline, unless you are letting boost creep up throughout the pull. Torque should gradually fall, even with hybrids from most dynos I've seen.
No all figurative but say at 2000rpm you make 200ft lb torque and 100 hp at 4000rpm you make 200 ft lb you would be making 200hp and using twice fuel now to make 200 ft lb at 8000 rpm you would have to make 400hp . Hp is energy and gas is energy. This is why diesel is high torque cause they are low rpm. Imagine this hp is how much total work and torque is how much work per revolution , so if you do more revolutions you multiply the hp and in doing SSI the gas used.
 

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Genuine (not reman) might support more power.


That's insane everyone tells me 650 wheel should be possible and do you really believe the fcp one isn't as good. Does anyone have new ones available cause I would want to buy this kit and use new not remanufactured.

AFAIK there are no new pumps out, just the same reman'd pump. ...6446 and ... 6170 are the numbers but based on the secret part # thread here, the difference is just pricing. If you go to ECS and look at them, both say reman'd, just the one is almost twice as much.
 

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For everybody looking for high power on 91 or 93... don't expect this to help all that much. Factory hpfp can already support 650whp on pump, this thing could probably do over 750whp easy. But you'll never experience that because you'll blow a hole through a piston with knock. Race gas is another story but it's rare I see people running it these days. Anybody who wants big power on 91 or 93 needs to look into methanol, or low compression built motors with large single turbos. Hpfp upgrades, PI etc are generally for those running E85 due to significantly higher fueling demands.

One thing hpfp upgrades really help with is flex fuel. Currently with PI flex fuel really requires a PI shutoff as you don't want the PI running on pump since DI is so much better at reducing knock. Without PI you can actually have a proper functioning flex setup.
 

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That's insane everyone tells me 650 wheel should be possible and do you really believe the fcp one isn't as good. Does anyone have new ones available cause I would want to buy this kit and use new not remanufactured.
And to the other guy with 6466 you def should be fine if these hold 750 with e85 was my point.
Also i would think single or cast twins would have highest fuel demand at redline if holding flat boost all the way through. Stock snails with taper are different story.
Im interested in removing my filter and having the valve changes in the new tables to see where that gets me. I more want to know if their is an easy way to test my pump.

650 on ethanol mix and DI stock hpfp yes. 93 definitely not since you're knock limited (barring meth).

fcp hpfp rail pressure is weak compared to a healthy oem hpfp. there's definitely a difference.
 

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fcp hpfp rail pressure is weak compared to a healthy oem hpfp. there's definitely a difference.

What's a "fcp" hpfp? The other part # that fcp doesn't sell is the same thing, just a different price/part# for retail vs. recall work. They're all reman'd continental pumps.