Upgraded T04 turbos for less $ than stock! Wtf? Link inside
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Oh and I'm speaking for others and not my own experience. My MMP's and the MMP brand have treated me well. @MMP has never given me any issues.
They are not loop holes, just people think they should run XXX amount of hp while not addressing the problems they have with their setup
and then they want warranty, how the warranty be handled is what sets most manufactures apart.
But how many honest customers do you think are out there when they know they'll have to dig into their own pocket because they done the wrong thing
Its easier to blame the manufacture and hope for the best
and then they want warranty, how the warranty be handled is what sets most manufactures apart.
But how many honest customers do you think are out there when they know they'll have to dig into their own pocket because they done the wrong thing
Its easier to blame the manufacture and hope for the best
I personally log and have video footage of every time I drive so if something was to go wrong I can provide proof.
Guess what, I haven't blown a turbo yet due to my setup or been refused warranty yet from any of the turbos I've had installed.
Guess what, I haven't blown a turbo yet due to my setup or been refused warranty yet from any of the turbos I've had installed.
The BMW Turbo world is a strange one to me. Probably compounded by the fact that many people in that world are cross-overs from other turbo worlds, to which I lack experience. It's fascinating to me how people do the, "xxx whp, 28psi, #sendit" blah blah blah ... and then shit hits the fan and, where's the product failure? Obviously SOMEONE ELSE screwed up, right?
I used to be involved in 24 hour road racing. In 24-hours, we would completely wear out a race car. Yes ... 24 hours of constant abuse - a car that in stock form would be driven pedestrian style for 8 years and 150k miles ... in race trim, worn out in 24 hours. Our GT class sprint road cars ... the motors came apart every 1-2 years. We're talking a few thousand miles.
In this world there seems to be little conscious engagement on how to build safe, reliable power on a competent, reliable chassis, drivetrain, and suspension (a complicated conversation) and what to practically expect in certain use cases.
Filippo
I used to be involved in 24 hour road racing. In 24-hours, we would completely wear out a race car. Yes ... 24 hours of constant abuse - a car that in stock form would be driven pedestrian style for 8 years and 150k miles ... in race trim, worn out in 24 hours. Our GT class sprint road cars ... the motors came apart every 1-2 years. We're talking a few thousand miles.
In this world there seems to be little conscious engagement on how to build safe, reliable power on a competent, reliable chassis, drivetrain, and suspension (a complicated conversation) and what to practically expect in certain use cases.
Filippo
Rob@RBTurbo
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As I can see quotes from those we've blocked in the past when quoted, via email, I'm able to read what is written by this veer90 clown once again. As for his claims of RB failures on popping Facebook, LOL, what from some turbos purchased back in 2010 or 2012? Or better yet, not even our product? Some smart ones on these forums, fir shur.
Rob
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Rob@RBTurbo
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We've shipped 350 sets (of our entire N54 portfolio) over the past 2 years- and literally zero units have had any issues (outside a couple with tanked engines). Whether they are "sending it" or not, seems to not matter thus far. Perhaps we are just lucky.
Rob
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Rob@RBTurbo
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Prime example as to why we do not rate our turbochargers at the max ever power obtained, with every mod under the sun, on the friendliest dyno ever; while pushing them well beyond the ragged edge for every last pony. Only to advertise "good for X HP". Or worse yet, never make any power at all- and claim "good for 1k HP!". Really bad ideas, but the consumers suck it up all day everyday.
Rob
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It did not matter if you quoted power figures, people will push their turbos way past their safe limits and thats where the problem is.
Everyone wants the biggest Dick in the room but it comes at a huge cost and if your going to push that far its most likely it won't last long and dont expect warranty while trying to do that.
Everyone wants the biggest Dick in the room but it comes at a huge cost and if your going to push that far its most likely it won't last long and dont expect warranty while trying to do that.
Rob@RBTurbo
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Agree with you and as stated above there are going to obviously be the "send it" demographic of whom are going to do as they wish- they eventually will not be happy with where they end up. We've seen this in the form of those tanking engines, but in those scenarios and from our perspective it is the engine that is the fuse anymore while the turbos are seemingly taking it quite well (not to be confused in that if the turbos will be certain survive a blown motor).
Rob
Another issue which I see time and time again is poorly set up diverter valves or bov's
One of the most common turbo killers out there and not limited to any platform
Another is poorly developed ic's that manufactures claim to be the best, what a bloody joke.
I can count on one hand but won't be naming them how many good ones are out there and the rest is not even good enough to use as a door stop and that what made me develop my own, i was sick of trying the so called best and they didn't deliver the goods in our 100f + summers
One of the most common turbo killers out there and not limited to any platform
Another is poorly developed ic's that manufactures claim to be the best, what a bloody joke.
I can count on one hand but won't be naming them how many good ones are out there and the rest is not even good enough to use as a door stop and that what made me develop my own, i was sick of trying the so called best and they didn't deliver the goods in our 100f + summers
Rob@RBTurbo
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Good points. Still though either the customer base is very well versed on what to do with these things- or it is not seeming to have any ill effects from our perspective.
Rob
Hey man, at least he's using the OE Gatorade bottle housing for the water-cooled ashtray - that in itself guarantees 0% chance of house fire due to failure from a melting bottle. Cant say the same for those goons using glass sourced from elsewhere that they then use to form and meet their own specifications.
One thing I will say Rob never makes claims of dyno glory and such he actually says go single, now people have hit crazy numbers with his products but if it breaks no one has a right to complain. Now when you advertise crazy numbers or put 1k in the name to lead people to belive high potential it is a diff story. I don't think anyone can honestly cross shop these with a true upgrade these are more if it broke why not give a shot I don't see this being a good upgrade path tho
Once you get to know the vendors they are just ordinary people just like the rest of us and are out there trying to make a living.
Then you get these retards that think they can make a gazillion hp on a stock motor and think the turbos should last 200k while they are pushing them way out of their efficiency range.
If i could get a set of turbos to last just 20k of hard driving I would be extremely happy.
Then you get these retards that think they can make a gazillion hp on a stock motor and think the turbos should last 200k while they are pushing them way out of their efficiency range.
If i could get a set of turbos to last just 20k of hard driving I would be extremely happy.
You've probably thought about this some. How might you pull that off? Any thoughts?
Filippo
Easily, restrict them to max of 21psi on 93 for daily use and only use higher tunes at the track occasionally.
Last forever as long as you don't develop issues I listed earlier
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