- Jul 3, 2018
No, he doesn't claim dyno glory runs anymore but he's never more than a few argumentative posts away from claiming the one glory 1/4 run from years ago these days. Ive been around this platform since 2011, and Ill be the first to say Rob helped get this platforms aftermarket off the ground a decade ago, but back on e90post when we had far, far less options for upgraded turbos there was no shortage of posts claiming "my turbos are the best, and will consistently outperform the competition's" despite consistent one-upping each other from each turbo vendor over the years. Really the "these will outperform the competition" posts only stopped once his competition started offering larger housings etc in addition to the typical upgraded wheels, because it then became glaringly obvious that there was no way to claim outperforming. Rob's issue isn't that hes dumb (even if he likes to passively play it sometimes), it's that he's blind to any other options or opinions than his own even when presented with evidence, and it's honestly a shame because he *is* a smart guy who *could* help keep pushing the platform if he wasnt too busy focusing on kicking down the competition and digging his heels in further out of stubbornness. I cant think of any other turbo manufacturer who is adamantly against upgraded outlets despite having a decent understanding of turbo theory and performance. I also cant think of another vendor who offers PCV modifications to help prevent valve buildup but sees no place for any VTA setup. Its frankly very confusing to me. He also might not advertise what he thinks the max potential of his turbos are, but his claimed failure rates have been shown to be a bit off to say the least.One thing I will say Rob never makes claims of dyno glory and such he actually says go single, now people have hit crazy numbers with his products but if it breaks no one has a right to complain. Now when you advertise crazy numbers or put 1k in the name to lead people to belive high potential it is a diff story. I don't think anyone can honestly cross shop these with a true upgrade these are more if it broke why not give a shot I don't see this being a good upgrade path tho
Most performance part vendors (including large turbo manufacturers) claim max potential (whether through maxing a product out, or from mathematics) in their advertising, so I'm not sure why he or anyone else can find genuine issue with his competition doing similar. How many people really gain 15-25whp from a K&N intake on any NA platform? How many people really run a "600tq capable" clutch at 600+wtq, beat it up at the strip, and expect any longevity? A lot of his arguments against the competition nowadays are unfortunately willfully ignorant or fighting with a strawman. What's really worse, sticking with the status quo of telling people what the max potential of a product is, or claiming your way is the only proper way and that any alternative is guaranteed to fail while yours never do despite evidence to the contrary? I see no issue with MMP claiming 850whp capability on their turbos if the science and flow characteristics are there to prove it, even if your typical budget built daily driver wont see that - that's not on the manufacturer, it's on the person refusing to spend what it takes to actually max out the turbos. Remember, even RB admits the 1Ks are larger and capable of flowing more than the S55 turbos and we all know what a properly built M4 is capable of doing. Same goes for any other vendor like Pure who advertises 650+ capability on their S2 high flows when most consumers don't break 600. This isn't an attack on you at all, @Rob09msport , just my 2c on what I've seen happen with certain vendors and people over the last several years.
This is about par for the course with that vendor unfortunately. I wont go into details because they're so readily available, but Doug/ft stays away from forums in order to maintain his Animal Farm paradise FB page of "best ever bang for your buck, revolutionary turbos". There was also a recent post about some group buy FTs for sale that needed rebuilt at 300miles, and he wouldn't even comment on whether the warranty was still transferable due to the mileage before failure on his non-beta turbos.Just wanted to mention that I saw a thread briefly posted on the FrankenTurbo Facebook group and it was from a guy who was calling it quits with his FT's due to 2 sets smoking and blowing, said he was going single turbo.
This was about an hour ago and it's already deleted.
I'd be curious on how the max potential boost of a tune vs amount of time at max boost really plays into longevity. I know you said you want turbos you can beat on daily that will last that long so I'm assuming your car is a daily that you like to put through the ringer so to speak, but theres been plenty of people claiming 20k+ on a wide variety of turbos from just about every twin vendor still around. I know an e60 28psi tune like mine is likely to have higher load targets etc across the board than someone who's max boost is 21psi, but since my car doesnt see that 28psi multiple times a day and I keep up with preventative maintenance, I do expect a long lifespan out of these turbos regardless of the higher max boost.Easily, restrict them to max of 21psi on 93 for daily use and only use higher tunes at the track occasionally.
Last forever as long as you don't develop issues I listed earlier