What is the highest HP from all the hybrid turbos?

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maristgrad09

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Feb 1, 2017
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Hey Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone knew the highest HP that have been put down by all of the hybrid turbos that are out. RB(Original RB, RB Evo's, RB Super Evo's) Vargas(Stage 2, 2+, GC Lite, GC), Hexon (RR550,RR600,RR700), Pure Turbo S2, MMP Stage 3, and any other's I'm missing. Please ONLY POST DYNO SHEETS if you are going to claim numbers.
 

Twisted Tuning

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Platinum Vendor
Oct 25, 2016
870
New York
i Believe the GC's have the Highest output to date. But they are also not Stock frame turbos. So they should have the highest efficiency and flow.

But, i also believe that VVT is running a pretty modified head setup. So those numbers a quite a bit higher than they would be on a stock head car, which most if not all of the Hybrids are on.

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Sshec152

Corporal
Nov 3, 2016
213
Aston pa
Gc's are definitely put out the highest hp but idk if they are really considered hybrids or not. MMP stage 3's also make really good power and is considered a hybrid
 
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Oct 24, 2016
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Scottsdale, AZ
Twin setup, it's us, no question -I think it's by something like 136 whp, although obviously we don't fool around so we didn't just bolt them on a junkyard motor and do the dyno dance.

Hybrids? Ask me that question again in a month or so. ;) All I'm going to say is that these will move some air, won't move too much out of your wallet, we will do a group buy, and you'll see it on Spool Street first.
 

rebo0t

Specialist
Mar 14, 2017
59
Twin setup, it's us, no question -I think it's by something like 136 whp, although obviously we don't fool around so we didn't just bolt them on a junkyard motor and do the dyno dance.

Hybrids? Ask me that question again in a month or so. ;) All I'm going to say is that these will move some air, won't move too much out of your wallet, we will do a group buy, and you'll see it on Spool Street first.
Yassss I'm near Hayward ;)
 

langsbr

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Apr 5, 2017
915
Twin setup, it's us, no question -I think it's by something like 136 whp, although obviously we don't fool around so we didn't just bolt them on a junkyard motor and do the dyno dance.

Hybrids? Ask me that question again in a month or so. ;) All I'm going to say is that these will move some air, won't move too much out of your wallet, we will do a group buy, and you'll see it on Spool Street first.
Chris, curious - I know you said to get 847 out of the GCs, you guys did EVERYTHING possible to get that out of them. What kind of power would a 'normal' not 'end of the earth' kind of setup make on GCs? Were all those extras and 'tricks' worth 40, 60, or 100 whp?
 

08_335i

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Nov 3, 2016
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A pair of GC's on a stock n54 motor\head won't come close the the mid 800whp they achieved. Granted this number is awesome on a set of twins, they're not hybrids, nor are they on a stock head. Also the claim of them smashing all the single turbo's I have to highly disagree with. There are many ST setups out there that aren't running around on the forums with full built motors that have hit higher numbers. Motiv has a few costumers that are ST animals but don't have anything to do wit the forums...
 

langsbr

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Apr 5, 2017
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A pair of GC's on a stock n54 motor\head won't come close the the mid 800whp they achieved. Granted this number is awesome on a set of twins, they're not hybrids, nor are they on a stock head. Also the claim of them smashing all the single turbo's I have to highly disagree with. There are many ST setups out there that aren't running around on the forums with full built motors that have hit higher numbers. Motiv has a few costumers that are ST animals but don't have anything to do wit the forums...
The problem I have is that saying "won't come close" is such a vague term. MMPs have done 700rwhp on what I can only presume is a stock head motor. I'll dismiss the built bottom end because not much power is made there, just supported. Granted CR plays a role, but not drastic.

Are the GCs going to be maxed at 800 on a stock motor, or more like 750? Just trying to see how much extra all the nth degree stuff is worth.
 

V8bait

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Nov 2, 2016
366
Texas
The problem I have is that saying "won't come close" is such a vague term. MMPs have done 700rwhp on what I can only presume is a stock head motor. I'll dismiss the built bottom end because not much power is made there, just supported. Granted CR plays a role, but not drastic.

Are the GCs going to be maxed at 800 on a stock motor, or more like 750? Just trying to see how much extra all the nth degree stuff is worth.
The built motor had lower compression than stock and the head allowed it to make more power at lower boost. No cams or anything. On stock motor 6at cars I tune, the GC make around 660whp at 25-26psi. Normal hybrids need 2-3psi more boost to hit that. Some hybrids can only make 550-600 no matter the boost due to design and the manifolds. I think the reach for 700 on conventional hybrids is akin to the reach for 800 on the current cast offerings for stock motors, but I think the biggest improvement is for 600+whp, the cast manifolds simply outperform there.

VTT has it already and others are all going this direction for a reason. If you're on pump gas or targeting over 600whp you should strongly consider cast options. If not it's a smaller concern.
 
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langsbr

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Apr 5, 2017
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Wow - that's quite a differential. I knew the GCs made their power at a relatively low boost, which was indicative of the flow that motor had. It's surprising to see nearly a 200 WHP delta even with more boost on a stock motor. I know another vendor has a cast offering coming soon - it will be interesting to see how much the low and midrange tradeoff is compared to the top end gain.
 

Jsherry20

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Dec 21, 2016
313
Chris, curious - I know you said to get 847 out of the GCs, you guys did EVERYTHING possible to get that out of them. What kind of power would a 'normal' not 'end of the earth' kind of setup make on GCs? Were all those extras and 'tricks' worth 40, 60, or 100 whp?
This is something I was thinking about as well, considering people are bolting on MMP S3's and making low 700s lol.
 

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Oct 24, 2016
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Scottsdale, AZ
Chris, curious - I know you said to get 847 out of the GCs, you guys did EVERYTHING possible to get that out of them. What kind of power would a 'normal' not 'end of the earth' kind of setup make on GCs? Were all those extras and 'tricks' worth 40, 60, or 100 whp?
It depends on how conservative you want to be and if you're willing to blow up your stock motor. On the 847 whp run WGDC was basically maxed up top; nothing left in them. Each little thing we did added some power potential; the pcv system, the inlets, using DI as much as possible, welding a v-band clamp onto the throttle body, a HUGE intercooler, etc. etc. When we first messed with a ported head we didn't see anything but when we used a ported head with a little larger valves... wow. 'course we also dropped compression a touch... I think what you're getting at is what could you do on a stock motor/stock head without being crazy? I'd say mid/upper 7's would be my GUESS.... but that is going to depend on fuel/health/ballsack size/etc.

A pair of GC's on a stock n54 motor\head won't come close the the mid 800whp they achieved. Granted this number is awesome on a set of twins, they're not hybrids, nor are they on a stock head. Also the claim of them smashing all the single turbo's I have to highly disagree with. There are many ST setups out there that aren't running around on the forums with full built motors that have hit higher numbers. Motiv has a few costumers that are ST animals but don't have anything to do wit the forums...
"smashing singles" isn't something we tout with respect to dyno numbers, although I think you'll be very hard pressed to find anything that makes the top end power ours do with similar spool. Turbo size is all about tradeoffs; the GC's are a great size and make for a fun car. I agree about not everyone who has a powerful N54 posting; we have a few customers with significant power not posting anything. Damn it.

The built motor had lower compression than stock and the head allowed it to make more power at lower boost. No cams or anything. On stock motor 6at cars I tune, the GC make around 660whp at 25-26psi. Normal hybrids need 2-3psi more boost to hit that. Some hybrids can only make 550-600 no matter the boost due to design and the manifolds. I think the reach for 700 on conventional hybrids is akin to the reach for 800 on the current cast offerings for stock motors, but I think the biggest improvement is for 600+whp, the cast manifolds simply outperform there.

VTT has it already and others are all going this direction for a reason. If you're on pump gas or targeting over 600whp you should strongly consider cast options. If not it's a smaller concern.
As always, thanks for your posts Justin. Our re-release of stage 2/2+ should narrow the gap a little and shake things up. ;)

I feel like people are getting too caught up in dyno numbers. Dynos read differently. I look at track results. Trap speeds in the 1/4 and 1/2.
Agreed, but we like looking at both. Dyno's don't show lag, and trap speeds don't show lousy area under the curve outside of race conditions. It's possible to make these cars very responsive and still have great power... drivability is worth pursuing. Unless of course you live your life 1/4 mile at a time. lol

Chris
 

adglogow

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Feb 18, 2017
5
Rochester, NY
Super RB Stealths...


Not! I'm on my 3rd set. First set had a failed thrust bearing within the first 300 miles. Second set ate itself within 50 miles because rear turbo was clocked incorrectly. RB's answer - VOID the warranty since the original purchase was over a year ago... even though the car has had less than 500 miles put on it due to it being winter, and in the shop for months on end.

The first time, RB said it was either the car or improper installation, so we did every test we could do short of pulling the motor apart to prove that it wasn't (on my dime). A BMW Master Tech and Authorized Dinan shop did both installs.

The second time, RB again said it was the car, so we did every test AGAIN (on my dime... again), proving again that the motor is in excellent shape. Upon inspection, it turned out that the rear turbo was clocked incorrectly, leading to oil starvation... RB cried "there is no way to know if the turbo left the shop like that... or if you did it." Meanwhile, I never even saw the replacement sets because they shipped directly to the shop. But we all know reputable race shops kick around turbos and mess with clocking angles... riiiiggghhhttt. And the icing on the cake in the whole 18-month long ordeal - RB said that "this is a complete loss for both of us."

Say what you want about Tony - his products do work, and he actually offered the GC's off of the shop car after rebuild if I could wait a few weeks when I reached out to him for his input and options for an alternate direction. His stuff is worth the wait, if you ask me. My only regret is jumping on the RB train when they first released, and the GC's followed shortly thereafter. Do it right the first time and be done with it! GC
 
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